Evan Ratliff 2024 年发起的实验性独立播客,关于人工智能。被 Eric Benson 定位为”叙事播客后崩塌时代的模板”。
设定
Ratliff 创建了自己的 AI 语音克隆,让它接打电话——先与客服、骗子互动,最后甚至通过 Better Help 与一位不知情的人类心理咨询师做两次咨询。“This is a story that could only exist as a podcast.”
商业模式(成为新范式的关键)
- 极小团队(Ratliff + producer Sophie Bridges + 妻子 Samantha Henig 协助,她创办过 NYT 音频部门)
- 收入来源:Substack 订阅(几乎全部)
- 第一季 break even;获 Independent Media Initiative $50K 奖金后转盈
- 第二季与独立工作室 Kaleidoscope 合作,获更多财务缓冲,仍保持创作自主
Ratliff 的逻辑
“I knew it was going to weird. And I wanted to be as weird as possible. I didn’t want to be forced into analytic conclusions about AI, the kind of places you get pushed by people who are trying to sell your show.”
[Kaleidoscope] “are into telling a story that sounds as far from any formula as possible and helping us try to do that.”
后崩塌时代播客的轮廓
通过 Shell Game 可以看到的未来形态(narrative-podcast 当前页面有更详细的方法论):
- 更小、更独立、更实验
- 总产量下降
- 没有暴富空间,break even 即胜利
- 收入靠订阅 + 奖金 + 独立工作室伙伴
关联
- 主创:Evan Ratliff
- S2 工作室:Kaleidoscope(独立)
- 类型:narrative-podcast
- 行业语境:spotify 与 Joe Rogan 续约 $250M 的同时,Shell Game 团队靠 Substack 订阅艰难 break even
- 相关节目:《Pablo Torre Finds Out》、《Stolen》、《Serial》
引用来源
- 2025-Narrative Podcasts Are Disappearing. What Happened_